Curse

Zui · Sep 25, 2006, 07:16 AM // 07:16

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Originally Posted by torquemada

Funny thing, you finally get a monk in a PUG, and he stinks to high heaven. Few minutes into the fray and he's pinging low energy. And to think that you had to sit in an outpost for half an hour to even get one in the first place.

I would not reply to these kind of posts anyway if I didn't get 2 absolutely horrid monks (not 55, I checked) in sequence few days ago in Elona's Reach.

Like I've already said, 99.99% of PUGs in PvE are absolutly horrible players. You just notice it more with Monks because they actually need to do their job, and most of the time can't let the other players pull their weight. This means that they can't be the Monk equivilent of W/Mos with Mending and Defensive Stances.

Rallick · Sep 25, 2006, 07:18 AM // 07:18

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Originally Posted by shadowtwin

Funny thing about PuG monks is that the ones that are eager to join your group SUCK! Without exception. The good monks can easily assemble a group of henchemen in any mission or area and do it themselves. That means that a lot of the PuG monks that you see are just Wammos that made a second character since no one would group with them anymore.

QFT

When I was playing through both campaigns with a monk I did only a few missions with players, and mostly of goodness of heart (yup, I'm one of these ego heavy monks

) Honestly, I felt that playing with controllable, patient henchies is waaaay easier.

Well, that leaves the social aspect, but to be honest, henchies have way better personality than most PuG players

. I’ll take crappy one liners over your usual “lol I died, you noob” anyday.

torquemada · Sep 25, 2006, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by Zui

Like I've already said, 99.99% of PUGs in PvE are absolutly horrible players. You just notice it more with Monks because they actually need to do their job, and most of the time can't let the other players pull their weight. This means that they can't be the Monk equivilent of W/Mos with Mending and Defensive Stances.

QFT, running around like scared chicken and trying to heal-touch me, and dying in the process, lol. But I'd lower that number to, lets say 80%. Other day I had a wonderful team in Ice caves of Sorrow, monk being e-prodigy driven healer elmo. Worked like a charm.

JiggyFly · Sep 25, 2006, 07:29 AM // 07:29

I have to admit, I've started to see the comeback of the Heal Party Monk, something that before Factions I only really saw in B/P Tombs groups. It's a nice spell to have on your bar, especially for those nasty AoEs or full party degens that can catch you a bit offguard.

But I tend to find that the people who spam it constantly use it at moments where I wouldn't even consider casting a single target heal like Dwayna's Kiss.

And for the record on the whole Healing Breze thing, comparing it to Orison is laughable because Orison is the most inefficient heal ever, so for me I really don't feel the need to put the second least efficient heal ever on my bar just because it's better than the least efficient...

Omega X · Sep 25, 2006, 08:03 AM // 08:03

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Originally Posted by Zui

Welcome to PvE PUGs. 99.99% of the players suck, badly, but think they're amazingly good and know everything. This is why some of us refuse to PUG in PvE unless we have to, and instead opt for henchmen, friends, or guildies.

LMAO!

Major QFT!

Guildies/Henchies FTW!

Whispering Siren · Sep 25, 2006, 08:10 AM // 08:10

Major pet peeve: healing breeze on me when I have less than 50 health... Obviously I'm being spiked and one more hit (no matter if I have HB on me or not) will kill me. Spike heal please...

It's also amazing to me how many monks need advanced energy management. If you play monk right, you'd only need extra energy in long, drawn-out battles (a la FoW)... and that's what energy switching weapon slots are for. Wasting the elite spot on MoR or OoB is beyond me (aside from Boon Protect monks). (speaking for PvE)

WoH and 5 energy heals FTW.

N E D M · Sep 25, 2006, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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Originally Posted by JiggyFly

I have to admit, I've started to see the comeback of the Heal Party Monk, something that before Factions I only really saw in B/P Tombs groups. It's a nice spell to have on your bar, especially for those nasty AoEs or full party degens that can catch you a bit offguard.

But I tend to find that the people who spam it constantly use it at moments where I wouldn't even consider casting a single target heal like Dwayna's Kiss.

And for the record on the whole Healing Breze thing, comparing it to Orison is laughable because Orison is the most inefficient heal ever, so for me I really don't feel the need to put the second least efficient heal ever on my bar just because it's better than the least efficient...

ever heard of divine favor? makes orison quite a bit more useful, in the earlier sections of tyria/cantha.
healing breeze is something my e/mo uses when he goes all healing :|
Mending is something i put on the monks with my warrior when he is using the all adren tanking sword build.

jimmyhats · Sep 25, 2006, 08:29 AM // 08:29

at 14 healing 11 favor (8 in insp, all minor runes) orison heals for 102 hp, and you can use it every 3 seconds... its a great skill. any healer should have it in their bar, right next to woh and d.kiss.

Tainek · Sep 25, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

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Originally Posted by Tremere

Umm... just so you know, Breeze *does* blow Orison away, in total health healed over time, even 2 casts of Orison to equate that 10 energy for the 10 energy to cast Breeze. And it'll totally rape Orison with enchantment length bonus mods.

11 Divine Favor, 14 Healing (Fairly Standard Attributes, you should be running 8 insp)

Orison 35+35+67+67=204
Healing Breeze 35+180Hp=215
Healing Breeze+20% ench 35+218Hp=251
Healing Touch 70+70+57+57=254
Healing Wisper 35+35+96+96=262
Dwaynas Kiss(one enchant) 35+35+90+90=250

numbers above assume that healing breeze lasts its entire duration, which with the pletiful enchant removals, just rarely does, a dwaynas kiss is the same efficiency as a 20%ench HB if there is already and enchantment on them(most of the time, esp with prot monk), healing wisper beats all other options, and as long as you have some common sense, its easy to keep within range (its my primary heal, i very rarely need to move to use it)

Healing touch also beats healing breeze as a self heal, but cannot be stripped or shattered

Healing breeze is just not a good skill, to get full use (i.e not overheal) you would have to put it on an already seriously wounded target, one shatter enchant later and your down 10 energy, with a critically wounded target

Not to mention, if they are wounded enough to use healing breeze on, they are wounded enough for Word of healing to muscle ahead of any other heal

there is just No Reason ouside of 55hp to use it on a primary monk

Just say No Kids, Say No To Healing Breeze

cataphract · Sep 25, 2006, 08:42 AM // 08:42

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Originally Posted by ateddybear

When I notice them spamming healing breeze/heal party etc I usually tell them that spamming those will eat up energy quickly. One had the nerve to tell me I was wrong. One debated that the health regen from healing breeze was better than a straight heal from orison. Lastly, one even told me that heal other was ten times better than orison because it heals more, and he always pinged his energy when he had <10 which was like every minute.

Oh, I love them when they tell me I'm wrong. A few days ago I had a "healing breeze" debate with a pug monk. He was spamming it like crazy and even dared to say its health regen is better than orison insta-heal. The fact we were fighting Afflicted and you needed insta-heals didn't bother him too much. What's worse, it didn't bother other players in the group, too.

EPO Bot · Sep 25, 2006, 08:49 AM // 08:49

I sometimes use HP with cultist fervor.
Does that make me a nub too?

cataphract · Sep 25, 2006, 08:52 AM // 08:52

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Originally Posted by booooYA

I agree with Akhilleus here, healing breeze is something I use for myself so I can focus on the people in my group.

Read the article "the art of tanking", choose your position visely and you won't need any self-heals. I don't.

cataphract · Sep 25, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58

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Originally Posted by Warrior1986

This isn't meant to offend anyone, as all the monks in my Guild along with some monks I've met through PvE, AB, etc are really great people and are an asset to the group. But I've always wanted to try and understand what is it exactly that makes the PuG monk think the way that 75-80% of them do? Is it as simple as ego-stroking?

I load that mode only when people upset me enough. That includes spamming "I have blind on me!" while I'm healing the other monk, or a squishie that's under attack. Leeroying with frenzy and pinging the health decrease followed by WTF! OMG! HEAL ME NOOB! (had an assasin like that yesterday - told him to stfu and stop being a prick

) There's more things people can do to upset me, but all in all I'm a pretty easygoing person and will get along with everyone. Except utter and complete idiots. And Frenchies refusing to speak english even if no one understands french.

Valkyries · Sep 25, 2006, 09:04 AM // 09:04

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Originally Posted by Tainek

11 Divine Favor, 14 Healing (Fairly Standard Attributes, you should be running 8 insp)

Orison 35+35+67+67=204
Healing Breeze 35+180Hp=215
Healing Breeze+20% ench 35+218Hp=251
Healing Touch 70+70+57+57=254
Healing Wisper 35+35+96+96=262
Dwaynas Kiss(one enchant) 35+35+90+90=250

numbers above assume that healing breeze lasts its entire duration, which with the pletiful enchant removals, just rarely does, a dwaynas kiss is the same efficiency as a 20%ench HB if there is already and enchantment on them(most of the time, esp with prot monk), healing wisper beats all other options, and as long as you have some common sense, its easy to keep within range (its my primary heal, i very rarely need to move to use it)

Healing touch also beats healing breeze as a self heal, but cannot be stripped or shattered

Healing breeze is just not a good skill, to get full use (i.e not overheal) you would have to put it on an already seriously wounded target, one shatter enchant later and your down 10 energy, with a critically wounded target

Not to mention, if they are wounded enough to use healing breeze on, they are wounded enough for Word of healing to muscle ahead of any other heal

there is just No Reason ouside of 55hp to use it on a primary monk

Just say No Kids, Say No To Healing Breeze

Agree completely.

HB is for nooby's who don't know how to set up a good skill bar.

YES there are times that HB is good... in 55 hp Monks especially. No, its not a "horrible" skill as some people say.

It just will NOT be better than a lot of the alternatives.

torquemada · Sep 25, 2006, 09:09 AM // 09:09

Now were posting actual builds. Lol.

Few things bad monks don't have a clue about:

- Positioning
- e-management (omg rusher my energy is 00000)
- overhealing
- hex and condition removal (ok, u can mitigate with HP for awhile, but remove at least blindness plx?? kkthx...)

Bad builds aside. Another matter altogether.

Arcador · Sep 25, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

HB is good in certain conditions. It is like the enchant equivalent of Troll Undigent. Cast and forget. For monk primary it is not that efficient - since it is 10 energy and it is not an emergency spell, but for cross classes is very usefull self healing. Warriors can cast it on themselves and continue to deliver adrenal skills while being healed. Ele runners also can use it and continue their running and so on. Noone will take that to prevent spike or similar dmg.

Btw this new Glimmer of Light looks imba.

EPO Bot · Sep 25, 2006, 09:21 AM // 09:21

I dunno, i rarely use HB or even orison simlpy because EVERYONE and their dog already does so.

As a monk i have 13 DF ,11HP and 10PP and 8 Bloodmagic i am mostly busy removing hexes and conditions instead of pure healing. I just think that works beter in most situations.

baz777 · Sep 25, 2006, 09:29 AM // 09:29

I can only remember using Heal Party once for one mission in Factions

Only time I use breeze is sometimes on my non-monk characters for a self heal

The only time I really ping my energy status is on the odd occation I’m in a considerate PUG informing them that I already still have a full energy bar and that there is no need to wait for me to regen

Xeeron · Sep 25, 2006, 10:00 AM // 10:00

I dont get all the people saying they would not monk for PUG anymore. First, if you really need the other monk, you should look at your own skill bar first. There is only a handful of places where a single monk wont be enough, you can play almost the complete storyline as single monk. Second, if you have a good team of guildies, with 2 good monks, good warriors, a good ranger, good MM and good elly ... the game gets so easy, it is boring. For me, it is part of the satisfaction to get through the mission even with crappy pick up groups. And third, just one word: Rebirth. Apart from the few missions where you have to guard NPCs, just let the warrior that aggroes 3 groups at once die. Let your whole party die if they dont know when to fight or run. A monk should always be the last one alive and with rebirth, you can get your party back as often as you want.

- Xeeron

PS: Heal party is an awesome skill, dont diss it.

Feminist Terrorist · Sep 25, 2006, 10:14 AM // 10:14

I kind of enjoying monking for pugs. I like the challenge of keeping everyone alive.

I've been extremely lucky in that most of the pugs I get while monking are fairly decent. All my other characters are cursed when it comes to pugs.